And Pat Fry speaks too: Ferrari not happy with where it is at the moment with new F1 car
Zitat Ferrari has admitted its new car is not delivering what it had been hoped for so far - but it has faith that it can get on top of its issues before the first race of the season.
After three days of extensive evaluation of its new F2012 at Jerez in Spain this week, Ferrari has confessed it is not yet in a position to feel totally comfortable with the progress it is making.
While main title rivals McLaren and Red Bull Racing have both openly declared their satisfaction with the early indications from their car, Ferrari is more circumspect about where it is at with its new challenger.
When asked by AUTOSPORT about whether Ferrari was where it wanted to be at this stage of testing, technical director Pat Fry said: "I am not happy with where we are at the moment.
"I think there is a lot of room for us to improve from where we are. Reliability wise it is good. Performance wise I think we are okay, but we can play around with the performance and improve [the car in] some corners and some particular parts of the corner, but I would not say I am happy yet until we get the whole thing working."
Fry suggested that the biggest issue Ferrari was facing was in trying to understand how to get its car into the perfect set-up, having opted for a radical design this season.
And, with just two more tests after this week's running in Jerez, Fry admitted that there was pressure to get on top of matters quickly.
"Certainly the three tests rather than four does compress things a little bit," he said. "I think we have got a lot of work to do.
"The basic platform is okay. We are looking at the various characteristics – and all the bits we have to test. We can play around with the through corner characteristics, so we can do different things at corner entry, mid corner to exit, and it is really trying to find the right balance of those things.
"We are working through a reasonably large matrix here, so on each run we are trying almost a different configuration. There is a lot of analysis here and then back at the factory. We are using the simulation and the simulator to make sure everything ties in, so we can put the right package together."
He added: "I think everything is a lot more compressed, so there is a lot of pressure on everyone. You have to try and make decisions quickly.
"We have a one-week break coming up, but then it is two solid weeks and then you are packing the freight for Melbourne. So there is a lot of work for everyone to do. It is the same for every team up the pit lane."
Fry said that there was no interest from his team in chasing headline-grabbing quick laptimes because, having lost a shakedown test to snow last week, it needed to maximise its running over the next few weeks.
"We are not concentrating on taking the fuel out and trying to set a laptime. With only 12 days of testing before the next race, we have to make the most of all the time we have got.
"We were set back a little bit by the foot of snow in Fiorano, certainly the first morning of Felipe [Massa] was spent doing what we would have done there, so we are now trying to play catch up. Right now, it is about trying to get the right package together."
Fry made it clear, however, that the difficulties the team was having with the car were not related to its decision to run a pull-rod front suspension.
"The front suspension is not that a big a deal to be honest," he said. "It is a small aero benefit, a small centre of gravity benefit, and I know it is different from what people have done in the past - but it is not that big a risk to be honest.
"With a sensible structure to come you sort it out. We have gone for every last little bit of performance. That was a small benefit and it cost us a small amount of weight, but the weight is low down and in the end it was the right thing to do."
Fry said that Ferrari was flying out new hydraulic parts overnight to ensure there was no repeat of the problem that prevented Alonso running for a part of Thursday.
"The first two days we did not really have any reliability issues as such. Today there was a small hydraulic issue. We will get some new bits this evening which hopefully will see that one put to bed.
"That side of it, I think – the car, reliability wise, seems quite good as normal. Performance wise, it is literally trying to get the right bits together so a lot of analysis is needed."
Asked for what his message would be to Ferrari fans, Fry said: "We are all working very hard..."
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it Ferrari who had some issues with the exhaust overheating on Tuesday?
So, but later tweets of Jose says he hopes Ferrari doesn't have to design and fabricate a new chassis. As things stand now it seems like a severe problem and if need be, even if they can get around the problem, I would prefer that they design a new chassis as to rid them of the problem once and for all.
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it Ferrari who had some issues with the exhaust overheating on Tuesday?
So, but later tweets of Jose says he hopes Ferrari doesn't have to design and fabricate a new chassis. As things stand now it seems like a severe problem and if need be, even if they can get around the problem, I would prefer that they design a new chassis as to rid them of the problem once and for all.
Design and Fabricate a new chassis?! Where'd that come from?
I was talking about exhaust overheating.. Do you mean design a new exhaust? Or is there another issue all together? " title="blink" />
Zitat"Telemetry test indicated that the F2012 lost downforce in curves inexplicably, lost balance and traction" "These sudden loss of downforce were random, as this not occurred in the same part of the same curve" "During a pit stop to solve a problem of reliability, Alonso and Fry spoke in depth about this strange behaviour" "Apparently, during the conversation to Fry 'is turned on the light', I call Tombazis and began to make some laps" "They've "armed" the car with 'aerodynamic markers' and were looking back to back flow and suspicions from Fry seemed to be confirmed" "In Maranello confirmed the cause: several pieces of 'material progress' yielded to the pressure and the flow was diverted improperly" "That was the reason that the problems were not detected in the tunnel, parts of the model did not have that problem" "In production are sleepless in order to investigate why those pieces behaved so, failure to manufacture and / or misscalculation?"
Zitat"Telemetry test indicated that the F2012 lost downforce in curves inexplicably, lost balance and traction" "These sudden loss of downforce were random, as this not occurred in the same part of the same curve" "During a pit stop to solve a problem of reliability, Alonso and Fry spoke in depth about this strange behaviour" "Apparently, during the conversation to Fry 'is turned on the light', I call Tombazis and began to make some laps" "They've "armed" the car with 'aerodynamic markers' and were looking back to back flow and suspicions from Fry seemed to be confirmed" "In Maranello confirmed the cause: several pieces of 'material progress' yielded to the pressure and the flow was diverted improperly" "That was the reason that the problems were not detected in the tunnel, parts of the model did not have that problem" "In production are sleepless in order to investigate why those pieces behaved so, failure to manufacture and / or misscalculation?"
Zitat von KurskiRumor: Apparently Byrne would come urgently to Maranello in private flight. NOTICE is just a rumor not confirmed.
Zitat von SonnyI'm interested to know who this guy is as well. The thought process is actually logical.. Who is he, K?
He is Technical Engineer of Public Works. Aeronautical Engineer. He has his own blog f1 design.
Technical Engineer of Public Works.. For Ferrari? Or just an aeronautical engineer who happens to have an F1 blog? Because that is quite a bit of 'insider' information for someone who does not work for Ferrari..
To know what Pat Fry and Alonso are discussing is having a lot of information..
ZitatRory Byrne has analyzed the telemetry of the car during the Jerez test, and immediately advise Fry modifications to be made Byrne knew that some parts could give in to pressure from the use of advanced composites. With the new parts it would be solved The amendments set out in the center of aerodynamic forces seem to have taken effect on the overall balance of the car After reviewing the front suspension, modifications have been made by Hamashima to optimize the tires
This is going to be the interesting aspect for 2012. In 2011, McLaren seemed lost. Heck, they were losing track time because of their exhausts overheating at the first test. Paddy Lowe described it as 'the worst pre-season' he can remember in a recent interview. Luckily for McLaren, they looked to RB for an answer. They could implement an exhaust system and 'simply' bolt on an EBD to recover rear downforce. This made them competitive from race #1 when they looked very noncompetitive from test #1. This is what I am interested to see with Ferrari. Ferrari will not have a magic bullet, like the EBD last year, to rectify their problems. At least that is my opinion. It will be the engineers relentlessly studying the telemetry and the designers creativity that will need to come to the fore if they are going to be competitive at Melbourne. Your post is a reflection of that, K. Now we must monitor the progress of the team. Remember, Ferrari had 2 reliability issues in Jerez as well. So it's more than just performance they need to rectify. An electrical failure and hydraulic failure would be catastrophic during the season. The cars seem to be more reliable now..
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