Read this in the Tech regs Article 12.6.3 : Tyre specifications will be determined by the FIA no later than 1 September of the previous season. Once determined in this way, the specification of the tyres will not be changed during the Championship season without the agreement of all competing teams."
So all the teams would have to agree, although not sure if there is a clause regarding safety that could be invoked in this case.
Zitat von RagingjamaicanAny reason why they are not happy?
I heard the Renault engine price is the most of all, with Ferrari being the cheapest.
From Amus translated:
Too expensive New Turbo Engines
Behind the scenes of Formula 1 is discussed not only hot on the tires, but also about the new engines for 2014. The financial problems of some team makes Renault, Mercedes and Ferrari worry. We'll tell you how bad the situation really is. The rude awakening comes on silent feet. Actually, it was to be expected, but in Formula 1 is blinkered a widespread disease. Happening right now, what critics have long predicted. More than half of the formula 1 is suffering from acute financial distress.
Who needs to count if he can make an overseas test in the Middle East at the request of Pirelli next year, which may not even think about the prices for the new turbo engines only. In contrast, the trip to the Arab is golf a bargain.
Renault is the most expensive, the cheapest Ferrari engine Renault calls depending on the package 20 to 23 million euros for the engine service 2014. For Mercedes it starts depending on the equipment at 17 million euros. Ferrari has the cheapest package with around 15 million. Even this is the threshold of pain for a lot of teams on the edge.
The terms of Renault go on the market over completely. How auto motor und sport in its latest issue (issue 11/2013, on Thursday, 05.15.2013 commercially) reports four of the five teams that are associated with Renault, with the headquarters in Paris, the high prices of the new Turbo engines called for from 2014.
For Williams, Lotus, Caterham and the Toro Rosso new customers this is beyond the affordable price. The fifth team that relies on Renault engines, the financially well-equipped team Red Bull Officially, no one wants to burn your mouth, but behind closed doors is talked eagerly about the topic.
Renault in dispute with Ecclestone The teams involved running a Bernie Ecclestone the booth. Either they get more money from him to be able to afford the engines, or the prices of the engines going down. Ecclestone is the pressure at the engine manufacturers on. Renault was unreasonable because apparently, it came to a fight. The culminating in the French their own motor home could not park in the main paddock. Officially, of course, means that there is no room for equipment.
Therefore, it comes on Thursday (5/16/2013) a meeting between Ecclestone and Renault President Carlos Ghosn. And what if Renault remains in its prices? Ecclestone tweaks one eye and smiles: ".. Perhaps the reality Renault will force you who have no money, can not pay if no one can pay, Renault, gets no money." Sounds logical.
Williams 2014 Mercedes? Mercedes has already lowered its prices. The basic package is supposedly now for 17 million euros. This includes motors, batteries, generator, electronics, turbochargers and transmission. At Williams is already considered to change this offer after this season to Mercedes.
Also, Lotus does not preclude thinking after the contract ends on another supplier if Renault maintains its pricing policy. There are names like Ferrari or Honda into play. McLaren has made ​​it the best. The deal with Honda to be free. The Japanese would seem to enter as a development partner with McLaren. Single risk: Honda 2015 will be missing one year of experience. And the catalog of changes that allowed the World Association of producers per season, becomes smaller from year to year.
Zitat von RagingjamaicanRead this in the Tech regs Article 12.6.3 : Tyre specifications will be determined by the FIA no later than 1 September of the previous season. Once determined in this way, the specification of the tyres will not be changed during the Championship season without the agreement of all competing teams."
So all the teams would have to agree, although not sure if there is a clause regarding safety that could be invoked in this case.
Pirelli already said there are no safety concerns, and four stops have allways existed in F1. So I still don't understand why tyres should be changed. Unless of course, everybody agrees on it.
ZitatHonda confirms 2015 F1 return as McLaren engine supplier By Edd Straw Thursday, May 16th 2013, 07:13 GMT
Honda F1Honda has confirmed that it will return to Formula 1 in 2015 as engine supplier to McLaren.
The Japanese manufacturer has not competed in F1 since shutting its works team at the end of 2008, but has decided to return as a result of the change to 1.6-litre turbocharged V6 engines.
It has been known to have been in talks with McLaren for some time and has already made significant progress with design work on its new engine.
Honda previously supplied McLaren with engines from 1988-1992, winning both the drivers' and constructors' championship four times.
It has already begun development of its all-new 1.6-litre turbocharged V6 Formula 1 engine, working out of its R&D facility in Tochigi, Japan.
McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh hailed Honda's return, saying: "Together Honda and McLaren have a great legacy; we formed a uniquely successful partnership that took on and beat the world.
"Together, we created some of the greatest, most iconic Formula 1 moments of all time which are still being talked about today all around the world.
"McLaren and Honda are about to embark on a new and extremely exciting adventure together, so on behalf of everyone at McLaren and also everyone that loves F1, I am delighted to welcome Honda back to sport."
Whitmarsh admitted that the previous success of McLaren-Honda creates huge weight of expectation.
But he believes the Japanese manufacturer is the ideal partner for the team to ensure it is successful in the future.
"For everyone that works for the company, the weight of our past achievements lies heavily on our shoulders," he said.
"It's a partnership synonymous with success.
McLaren-Honda MP4/4"Together during the 80s and the 90s, McLaren and Honda won 44 grands prix and eight world championships.
"Together in 1988 we created the most successful Formula 1 car of all time, the all-conquering McLaren-Honda MP4/4 which was driven to victory 15 times out of 16 by Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost.
"Honda has an unrivalled pedigree as a manufacturer of turbocharged engines, making it the perfect engine partner for McLaren as we strive to deliver future success in F1.
"As we look to the future, Honda and McLaren are utterly committed to maintaining that legacy and to being successful once more."
ZitatMcLaren â€@McLarenF1 2m A display of #F1 cars, including the iconic McLaren MP4/4, on show outside Honda's HQ in Tokyo. #McLarenHonda pic.twitter.com/8sRsjzMETZ
Formula 1: Pirelli tyre change could cause suspicion By Gary Anderson BBC F1 technical analyst
Pirelli have decided to change the tyres they supply to Formula 1 from next month's Canadian Grand Prix, and you have to wonder why.
The decision has come after much controversy following Sunday's Spanish Grand Prix, which brought to a head complaints that have been growing all season.
These are that the need for drivers to manage the tyres, which have been designed to run out of grip quickly to ensure teams have to make multiple pit stops, has become too big a feature in races.
Viewers and spectators are not happy with the fact the drivers are not pushing to the limit all the time and feel the sport is in some way being polluted. Some say that F1 has become too artificial as a result, that it looks manipulated.
At the same time, Red Bull have been complaining that the tyres are restricting their cars' performance, and they have done a good job of getting into the public consciousness the idea that this is happening with all the cars.
But if you look at the data, things are not so different this year than they have been at any time since Pirelli became the sport's sole supplier in 2011, or even in the last year of Bridgestone tyres in 2010.
This year, Ferrari's Fernando Alonso won the Spanish Grand Prix making four pit stops, and there were 79 pit stops in the entire race.
Red Bull team boss Christian Horner complained on Sunday that it was "too confusing for the fans", and that "it wasn't great" for his team to be heard telling their driver Sebastian Vettel not to race Lotus's Kimi Raikkonen when he came up behind him. Red Bull's owner Dietrich Mateschitz went further, saying F1 was not a sport any more.
In 2011, Vettel won the Spanish Grand Prix. He also made four pit stops and there were 77 pit stops in the entire race. There were no complaints from Red Bull then.
If you want to know how hard drivers can push in a race, the best way is to compare both the race fastest lap and the average race lap time with the pole qualifying time.
I have compared data from the last four Spanish Grands Prix, including 2010. It gives an interesting result.
Last four Spanish Grands Prix
2010 (Bridgestone) Pole time 1:19.995 Fastest race lap 1:24.357 (+4.362secs from pole) Race duration 1hr 35mins 44.101 secs (two-stop race) average lap time: 1:26.425 2011 (Pirelli) Pole time 1:20.981 Fastest race lap 1:26.727 (+5.746 secs from pole) Race duration 1hr 39mins 3.301secs (four-stop race) average lap time: 1:28.837 2012 (Pirelli) pole time 1:21.707 Fastest race lap 1:26.250 (+4.543secs from pole) Race duration 1hr 39mins 9.145secs (three-stop race) average lap time: 1:29.229 2013 (Pirelli) Pole time 1:20.718 Fastest race lap 1:26.217 (+5.499secs from pole) Race duration 1hr 39mins 16.596secs (four-stop race) average lap time: 1:29.039
Although the cars were out-and-out faster on Bridgestones, there is very little difference in the offset from pole to fastest lap - even less if you use the data of the offset from the race winner's fastest lap and his qualifying time - or from pole to average race lap.
This would seem to undermine two key complaints being levelled at F1 at the moment - that the Pirelli tyres have dramatically affected the ability for drivers to push hard in races, and that this has markedly worsened in 2013.
It also rather undermines Pirelli's claim that the cars are three seconds a lap faster this year and that this is overworking the tyres.
Announcing the change to the tyres, Pirelli said it was "for the good of the sport" and insisted it had not come about as a result of pressure from Red Bull.
But it also admitted the new tyres it produces will prevent the worrying-looking delaminations that have been seen in recent races, where a cut in the rubber leads to the tread being thrown off.
WHAT'S CHANGING AND WHAT EFFECT WILL IT HAVE? I suspect this last reason is one of the main motivations for the change. It's not good PR for a company to have its tyres fall apart like that on global television.
The big question is what exactly is changing about the tyres, and whether it will favour one team over another.
Pirelli has not yet said what it will do, but the strong suspicion is that it will keep the front tyres the same and change the rears so they are more like last year's. It may even go as far as to use last year's rear tyres.
In 2012, the rear tyres had a different construction that allowed the carcass to expand more at speed. In addition, the material used meant any cuts from carbon-fibre debris on the circuit would result in a deflation rather than a delamination.
If Pirelli goes back in this direction, as expected, it will help prevent the tyre trying to throw off its rubber when it is damaged.
The front tyre is the one that most affects the performance of the car. Its profile and shape, the shape of the contact patch and so on, has a significant effect on the aerodynamics.
By contrast, changes to the rear tyre only affect the performance of the tyre itself, as opposed to making a crucial difference to the airflow around the car.
I bet if you were to ask all the teams to choose the two tyres they wanted to take to Monaco next week - the last race before the tyres change - they would all go for the super-soft and soft. Which is exactly the selection Pirelli has made. Play media
Last year, the vast majority of the time, it was the rear tyres that first started to lose grip during a race.
But in Spain, Vettel's problem was that the front tyres were getting too hot and he was having to slow down to stop them overheating and degrading. So if the front tyres are not changing, that won't help Red Bull in that situation.
Mercedes, who have been going backwards in races after qualifying well, have the opposite problem. Their car is rear-tyre limited.
The suspension and tyre of an F1 car need to be in harmony. If you have a soft suspension and a stiff tyre, the car moves too much. If you have the opposite, then the tyre moves too much.
This year's tyres are stiffer in construction than last year's, so most teams are running the pressures lower to try to make the tyres more compliant - they don't want that stiffness in the rear of the car because it makes traction worse.
So a less stiff construction might help Mercedes because it will bring the rear suspension and tyres more into harmony and improve their traction, reducing the load on the rear tyre. IS IT FAIR TO CHANGE THE TYRES MID-SEASON?
At the final grand prix of last season in Brazil, Pirelli supplied a prototype version of the new 2013 tyre for the teams to try.
The idea was that it would give them data to work with over the winter so they could prepare their cars.
The teams have worked with those tyres throughout pre-season testing and now for five races, and a pattern is emerging. Pirelli tyres
Mercedes have a fast car in qualifying that goes backwards in races because of excessive rear-tyre wear.
Red Bull have the next fastest qualifying car but their race-qualifying compromise is far better than the Mercedes, to the extent that Vettel has won two races so far and has secured a third place and two fourths from the others. He is leading the championship as a result.
But Red Bull are, at certain circuits, struggling to keep the tyres alive for as long as Ferrari and Lotus, who are not quite as fast in qualifying but look after the tyres better in races. Ferrari have probably the best race-qualifying compromise of all.
Alonso has won twice and been second once. Had he and the team not made the errors they did in Malaysia and Bahrain, he would almost certainly be leading the championship by a small margin from Vettel, rather than trailing him by 17 points.
So, you can say that Ferrari have done the best job of adapting their car to the demands of the tyres.
That's basically what a team's job is - to get the best out of the equipment at their disposal.
It's not really right to mess with that in the middle of the season. It will create a lot of work for the teams and, while we can't be sure, it could well undo all the good work some have done to the benefit of others, who have done their jobs less well.
Personally, I think if Pirelli were worried about the life of the tyres, a fairer choice would have been simply to go one stage harder on the compound - create a new 'hard' tyre and throw away the current 'super-soft'. The current 'soft' would become the 'super-soft', the current 'medium' the 'soft' and the current 'hard' the 'medium'.
The problem now is that the sport is open to accusations of meddling, and some people are going to be suspicious of the motives for it.
Inevitably, that will mean people will always wonder whether this change has affected the results - and, in the end, whether the right guy won the championship.
Gary Anderson, the former technical director of the Jordan, Stewart and Jaguar teams, was talking to BBC Sport's Andrew Benson
Zitat Pirelli insists changes to tyres don't breach Formula 1 rules By Jonathan Noble Friday, May 17th 2013, 14:08 GMT
Pirelli has played down talk that its change of Formula 1 tyre specification could be in breach of rules, or will unfairly penalise some teams.
The tyre supplier announced earlier this week that it was tweaking the structure of its 2013 products from the Montreal race in a bid to avoid further four-stop races, and prevent more spectacular rear tyre failures.
The move came in the wake of intense criticism from Red Bull boss Dietrich Mateschitz, who suggested after the Spanish Grand Prix that tyre conservation pressures meant F1 was "nothing to do with racing anymore".
Although Pirelli is still working on finalising its planned changes, its decision to make revisions to the specifications of the tyres has drawn criticism from several outfits.
Lotus boss Eric Boullier expressed his frustration that teams could potentially be penalised for better adapting their cars to 2013's more aggressive rubber, while Ferrari says it does not understand why it should feel 'ashamed' for having done a better job with tyre strategy while rivals like Red Bull just complained.
RULE BOOK PREVENTS MID-SEASON TYRE OVERHAUL
AUTOSPORT understands that several teams have also questioned Pirelli about whether it is even allowed to make such mid-season changes to the structure of the tyre.
Pirelli tyresThe queries focus on Article 12.6.3 of F1's technical regulations, which appears to prevent such modification to tyres unless there is unanimous support from the teams.
The rule states: "Tyre specifications will be determined by the FIA no later than 1 September of the previous season. Once determined in this way, the specification of the tyres will not be changed during the championship season without the agreement of all competing teams."
The only exception to the rule would be if there were genuine safety concerns that required an immediate change.
Article 12.5.2 states: "If in the opinion of the appointed tyre supplier and FIA technical delegate, the nominated tyre specification proves to be technically unsuitable, the stewards may authorise the use of additional tyres to a different specification."
However, the teams at the centre of the debate suggest that there does not appear to be a safety issue, and even Pirelli admitted itself when it explained the changes that they were not being done because the tyres were dangerous.
Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery said in the firm's press release announcing the changes: "We've decided to introduce a further evolution as it became clear at the Spanish Grand Prix that the number of pitstops was too high.."
It also denied that the tyre failures were safety issues: "It's important to point out that these delaminations, which occur when the tread comes off, do not compromise the safety of the tyres."
The teams unhappy with the changes claim that the tweaks are therefore not because the tyres are unsafe.
TYRE CHANGES WILL BE MINIMAL
Hembery was aware of the teams' concerns about the changes, but told AUTOSPORT on Friday that any opposition would likely die down when it becomes clear how small the modifications will be.
Stefano Domenicali and Paul Hembery"It has been amusing reading comments from some people suggesting that these changes are going to change the course of the world championship," he told AUTOSPORT. "That will not happen.
"Let's wait and see exactly what changes we will be making, but we are doing everything we can to minimise what will be different."
Hembery hopes that once teams understand the minor nature of the tweaks, which will be aimed solely at stopping the rear delaminations and in ensuring there are no more four-stop races - then the suggestions of breaching Article 12.6.3 will be dropped.
ZitatFIA declares Formula 1 tyre tweaks can only be for safety By Jonathan Noble Friday, May 17th 2013, 19:46 GMT
Pirelli's planned mid-season Formula 1 tyre tweaks are set to be much smaller than originally anticipated after the FIA ruled that changes will only be allowed on safety grounds.
Sources have revealed that the governing body has told Pirelli that it is happy to accept - and is indeed keen for - alterations necessary to prevent a repeat of the rear tyre delaminations that have struck at the last few events.
But, in a blow to outfits like Red Bull hoping further tweaks would help them overcome tyre difficulties they have faced, the FIA has made it clear it will not tolerate further changes aimed at reducing the number of pitstops or decreasing degradation.
Sorting out the issue must also not lead to a change of specification back to the 2012 tyres, as some had suggested could happen.
Instead, Pirelli has been instructed to solve the matter by modifying the current specification of tyres. It is now close to finalising tweaks in this direction.
The FIA is basing its stance on Article 12.6.3 of the technical regulations, which has also been cited by teams to Pirelli amid questions about the legality of a bid to change the specification.
The rule states: "Tyre specifications will be determined by the FIA no later than 1 September of the previous season. Once determined in this way, the specification of the tyres will not be changed during the championship season without the agreement of all competing teams."
Although another clause in the regulations says that changes can be introduced if the tyres are deemed by the tyre supplier and technical delegate as 'technically unsuitable', the FIA does not believe that the current high degrading nature of the tyres that sometimes requires four stop races falls under that banner.
An FIA source told AUTOSPORT: "Discussions between the FIA and Pirelli are ongoing regarding the tyre failures and making changes to prevent them happening again. These talks do not involve the subject of degradation or the number of pitstops."
CHANGES NOW SET TO BE MINOR
Paul HemberyPirelli has not yet settled on what changes it is making to the tyres, but its motorsport director Paul Hembery suggested on Friday that revisions were likely to be small.
"Let's wait and see exactly what changes we will be making, but we are doing everything we can to minimise what will be different," he told AUTOSPORT.
The stance from the FIA, allied to Hembery's suggestion, looks likely to be good news for outfits like Lotus, Ferrari and Force India that had been concerned a wholesale change of tyres could hurt the advantage they currently have.
Lotus boss Eric Boullier aired his frustration earlier this week at Pirelli planning mid-season changes, but expressed his hope that any tweaks would be minor.
"That there are changes to come can be seen as somewhat frustrating, and I hope they are not too extreme," he said. "It's clear that Pirelli have found themselves in a difficult situation and under pressure from different quarters."
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